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Xandinho , Nov 1, Alexander's Hetaroi likes this. One of them founded Ayutthaya, the other created Vientienne. Maybe you could get more of a variety of votes if you add in the Philippines? Not sure how many people would vote for Singapore, but it's another interesting idea. Also instead of what appears to be modern-day Malaysia it would probably be better if you put either the Srivijaya Empire or the Malacca Sultanate.

How strong Mallaca Sultanate is 2. Name of Pre-Spain state that rules Phillipines plase. Lonecat Nekophrodite , Nov 2, Alexander's Hetaroi , Nov 2, Joined: Jun 17, Messages: Birch , Nov 6, TahamiTsunami likes this.

Joined: Jul 8, Messages: Gender: Male. BuchiTaton , Nov 6, Joined: Oct 23, Messages: 3, Location: Poland. Regarding Indonesia, I am under the impression that everybody in those kinds of communities are overestimating the power and glory of Majapahit over all other Indonesian civilizations.

You guys are aware that 1 Majapahit wasn't really big expansionist empire and most probably Majapahit didn't directly control anything beyond central and east Java? Sometimes we can have Majapahit Indonesia, sometimes we can have Srivijaya, sometimes we can have Medang the actual builders of Borobudur; they'd also be much more fresh take on the country as they were not - very - trading agricultural builder kingdom , sometimes we can have combatative Aceh Sultanate, sometimes we can have Islamic Mataram sultanate of Java, and sometimes we can have modern Indonesia, and sometimes we can do the same thing we do with other Eurasian civilizations and mix different aspects of that civ from different time periods.

To some degree Philippine suggestions on those kinds of forums have similars problems, with people religiously repeating 'Kingdom of Tongo' as if it was an actual large territorial entity, while it was most probably a very tiny polity more akin to the "city state", but which didn't entirely reach the state of urbanization so it's more a "confederation of proto - cities" akin to Gauls. I have no idea how I'd actually design Filipino civilization honestly, because the area before Spanish conquest has been an extremely culturaly diverse archipelago, with little in common between countless ethnic groups, and little state organization.

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